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Felicity Evans is at a new livery yard to learn about the UK's £7 billion equine industry.
🔗 Tremendous invention to help.
🔗 We're being plunged further further into our beams of light in the
🔗 when they sing the ceilings which are glistening what coming in see this lovely
🔗 coloration in the wall of turquoise green we're in granite.
🔗 But there's fractures in the granite so you get water dripping fro and
🔗 that water is carrying copper.
🔗 So when you call this a test mine are training
🔗 but they're testing out new technologies in mining are they.
🔗 Because there's still a constant demand for minerals a mine has recently opened in
🔗 and west of and Bill Hemmer to monitor mining Thompson and contain
🔗 and what a good look at the whole of the British Isles.
🔗 There's only ten Fang to Stepan and Comal.
🔗 And there is this strategic metal but we will can in this area matter what model
🔗 and these are some of the conditions Manas that's working.
🔗 Very noisy
🔗 and often the average age of a miner in the early one thousand nine hundred to one
🔗 hundred forty two years old thing to twenty seven years old.
🔗 Not because they were grieving and the achievement
🔗 when you walked into the old mine working.
🔗 Could somebody who was a new soul what was done physically by hand.
🔗 Some of the tight confined places they worked in
🔗 that type of a normal day this is breathtaking some places on the ground in Cornish
🔗 You could lose a London life time in a mission.
🔗 That would have been a sheer claim
🔗 and you can see where they are lodgers would have been because there are.
🔗 Etched lines. The full length of the ship. In the celebrations above ground.
🔗 They are looking at how ingenious many of these men were working in the mines
🔗 and the way they came up with new technologies to improve their working conditions
🔗 and all the time because people go go deeper.
🔗 Always challenging and that's what makes morning.
🔗 So much interesting because every day is a challenge.
🔗 You know it's been so evident in the celebrations is
🔗 that people are immensely proud of this mining heritage
🔗 and actually they really want mining to be happening again.
🔗 Course this part of our culture.
🔗 We've got the skills to go to politicise and it's real work.
🔗 Open country. Mr center by Helen Markham produced by Helen Lynette.
🔗 No radio call for me today this week with Felicity Evans.
🔗 Good morning welcome to a small farm near the banks of the river seven in
🔗 It's a habit called knock down
🔗 and I'm here to have a look around a brand new livery yard you can still
🔗 practically smell the wood
🔗 that the stables have been made out of in the fencing here around the fields.
🔗 It's one of a growing number of livery yard springing up around the country
🔗 that just a part of the huge jack wine industry which contributes seven billion
🔗 pounds a year to the U.K.
🔗 Economy and of course it includes racing trekking farriery dressage jumping
🔗 and all the clothing
🔗 and equipment sales as well that's going to be the young woman behind this
🔗 particular yard. She's a pony club ambassador.
🔗 She's a writing teacher on the competition writer
🔗 and she's only nineteen years old she is Chloe doors I play.
🔗 Well this is very impressive this yacht.
🔗 You've got up and running but before we talk about that.
🔗 Tell me of us about your history with horses How long have you been writing.
🔗 I've got to say it's a first time I was on a plane in three weeks oh wow
🔗 that is young.
🔗 I think yeah and I rode at the local rides go just on the road from here.
🔗 When I was about fall and they let me buy a pony supposed the club
🔗 when I was seven and that's
🔗 when I kind of my first horse which is only three hundred pounds including tack.
🔗 So I chose quite cheap and got when I was eight
🔗 and she just taught me how to ride when issues really naughty is make or break.
🔗 Whether I quit. Golf and sudden not doing any moral or learn to ride.
🔗 And that's what shows do I have a sense
🔗 that we are conscious being make Well the levels we've always had to buy young
🔗 or old difficult horses and train them up and then sell them
🔗 when they're getting good and then buy.
🔗 Slightly more expensive young Will says and train them off
🔗 and sell them which is always been quite tricky.
🔗 It sounds a bit like you know you're a football manager sort of a small club
🔗 and you're spotting the talented youngsters you're bringing them in training
🔗 that selling the bonus a profit getting the next one
🔗 and I read the parallels with their own they definitely
🔗 and I mean my one day would be lovely to have a tough group youngsters
🔗 and south mourn and make money that way
🔗 but yeah is definitely the way to go is if you don't have
🔗 that much finance behind she is first frustrating because you get so high level
🔗 and you can see the whole house talent and you have to sell them
🔗 and then see other people doing really well on them later on because you're a
🔗 friend training yourself as well
🔗 and you too young says Yeah yeah I see a lot teaching the pony club helped me a lot
🔗 with that they taught me how to coach in that kitchen
🔗 and then I'm like most of my people through the pony club which has been brilliant.
🔗 I've got private people as well
🔗 and some really loyal people have stuck with me for three years
🔗 and I've been able to see them improve
🔗 and see their you know both this improve so it's been amazing.
🔗 Well you going to give me the tour in a minute on you.
🔗 Yeah I'm looking forward to that but before we do that.
🔗 Let's talk a little more about the business aspect of this and the nuts
🔗 and bolts really of getting a livery yard set up because Alan Hiscox is with us to
🔗 director of safety.
🔗 The British whole society Allan thanks for joining us on this lovely morning lovely
🔗 August morning to be out here at this livery on isn't it.
🔗 It's amazing and I hope you don't ask me
🔗 when I start driving because it wasn't a three or even three weeks.
🔗 You're not really. Are you getting a lot of interest in livery and
🔗 that sort of thing sickly from farmers maybe who are looking to diversify farmers
🔗 although Persephone they can see having a livery yard certainly assist them with
🔗 that with their business and their business management
🔗 and presumably there are basics in terms.
🔗 Horse welfare and in terms of health and safety for visitors and riders and all
🔗 that sort of thing that people have to meet. Well that's right.
🔗 I mean everybody has a duty of care whether to are employees of the people
🔗 or on their yards and it's just going around looking at the risks
🔗 and seeing if you can reduce them you can remove them.
🔗 You can avoid the more some cases just accept them.
🔗 But there is a duty of care
🔗 and it goes from the actual horses themselves to the fields to collecting forage a
🔗 loading or unloading their horses.
🔗 So it's a vast area but our approvals Department can help people at all.
🔗 And what all the rules at the moment I mean. Can anyone set up a livery stables.
🔗 I'm afraid they can. Yes.
🔗 Anyone can have horses and say they will every yard and even run riding lessons
🔗 and not be lost in some of the they should be
🔗 and Ronnie assumptions should be losses by the local authority but livery yards.
🔗 No and the P.H.S. Are working with the government to try and get
🔗 that answer right and there are all sorts of safety considerations on
🔗 that particularly if you're out on the road. Absolutely.
🔗 And the bare chest of starts that slow campaign in March
🔗 and we're working with all sorts of agencies we're working with the government.
🔗 We've got the think government campaign about how drivers should pass horses there
🔗 are often to slow down to fifty miles an hour often to them to pass courses
🔗 that at least the cars with the poncho up the way slowly another one hundred eighty
🔗 one horses thirty six Reuters have been killed to war records in the past five
🔗 years to some really important message it's going to save
🔗 or dislodge it's going to save horses lives.
🔗 Well thanks very much for that Alan I think I'm going to go
🔗 and explore the livery are now closed. You can see giving me not talk.
🔗 Chloe you brought me over to the newly built pony stables.
🔗 Tell me a little bit about the origins of these buildings where they were pig sties.
🔗 When we first arrived it was so the ground.
🔗 You could see the front of the pig pens and you can go inside or anything like
🔗 that you can see the back.
🔗 So we cleared it all out
🔗 and started building them up into a kind of storage bongs talkin things like that.
🔗 And I realized actually that quite a decent size and
🔗 that the perfect pony stables there too small for full size horses
🔗 that kind of under fourteen hands pony type height because it's quite nice.
🔗 We've made it really specialized the little ponies have got three set doors on
🔗 that. So they can see out and the tack room that the saddle rocks low so
🔗 that kids can get their saddles and things like that.
🔗 So it made it really specialized because they are smaller they're about the right
🔗 height for me. Actually you know if I had a pony
🔗 and I was a real hero because I don't know if I were to be perfect for me you know
🔗 my mom is with us now. Ali thanks for joining us.
🔗 Clearly mention clearing some of the site just give us a sense of how overgrown it
🔗 was when you first got here.
🔗 Well this whole area here was under brambles over our heads really completely
🔗 and some falling down trees there was an old well way carriage in here
🔗 and everything. So it's been completely cleared out.
🔗 It sounds a phenomenal amount of work but it's growing apace clearly it is
🔗 and it's a beautiful setting now you can really see how this place is taking shape.
🔗 Give me a sense of the business ventures and what's going to be happening here.
🔗 Well it can start small.
🔗 So it'll be a while closed university I'll be working full time will have a small
🔗 livery yard and will just work on getting a good reputation making sure
🔗 that everybody's happy.
🔗 We're going to work to be a chess along the way so
🔗 that they can tell us the way to go and when Khloe comes back from university.
🔗 Hopefully to be ready for her to expand grow make it special.
🔗 Well I think mentioned earlier the AK wine industry as a whole is huge in the U.K.
🔗 Riding for pleasure is the most popular activity nearly three million people do
🔗 that every year.
🔗 Of course if you don't own a horse yourself then a tracking center is probably your
🔗 best bet and not of them now
🔗 or for much more than a simple hack through the countryside.
🔗 That's one tracking center in the Vale of Glamorgan
🔗 that uses horses as a way to engage with children with social
🔗 and behavioral difficulties.
🔗 Emily Hughes went to the some brides major tracking center to find out more.
🔗 OK. It's a story using tracking center.
🔗 There's a riding lesson going on behind me
🔗 and you'll hear children basically washing in grooming Peggy in the stables.
🔗 I mean it's me teaches Sam Wyly who's working with the police from the it's called
🔗 bring costs to the school does have a lot of children with social educational
🔗 issues and often behavioral issues
🔗 and the idea is they come down here for the day
🔗 and they spend the day working with us and working with the horses.
🔗 You know the aim is also the they they work together as a team and
🔗 that they start to communicate with us with each other with the horses
🔗 and they stopped us.
🔗 So a seal of the wide world and the different things that they can go off
🔗 and do maybe as they get older and they move away from the school as well.
🔗 Many children and go to had behavioral problems.
🔗 Do you know to such improving while they're here at the stables.
🔗 Generally we get a lot of self-confidence issues
🔗 and they tend to put on a great front
🔗 and we can get behavior problems quite early on and then when they learn
🔗 that actually this is supposed to be a fundamental act environment
🔗 and they need to stay relaxed in order to.
🔗 To maintain the sort of the harmony that is here.
🔗 They generally tend to sort of fit in then and start to figure that out.
🔗 Obviously the horses aren't going to back down
🔗 that they the students have to realize
🔗 that they have to stay calm around the horses because if they don't they're not
🔗 going to be able to communicate with horses
🔗 and they're actually going to run into problems
🔗 that we've had a number of students now that have come here
🔗 and they've developed a love for it.
🔗 They never been around horses before but they say straightaway sort of thing.
🔗 Oh my God this is for me I love it
🔗 and they go off to one of the neighboring colleges
🔗 and they start to work through the academic system that way.
🔗 It's just coming to one of the stables to meet with me and he's seventeen
🔗 and had very poor attention to his previous school which is nigh rocketed to ninety
🔗 percent. Since he's being why P.C. Was the first time I come. I was petrified.
🔗 I was coming for the favor. It was.
🔗 I would often one of the people I was terrified.
🔗 And then something changed. Love horses not long ago my own wholesome.
🔗 Differences coming here is like a stress thing.
🔗 But if you call on horses it's just as lovely.
🔗 Another moving into the tack area the rules absolutely love with saddles
🔗 and bridles and here to meet Helen read to the head teacher of the school.
🔗 We started because it would help a sixteen she came one day a week
🔗 and now we've got you know children coming we can two days a week
🔗 but also saw a really challenging and least engaged almost disengaged
🔗 and people they'll temp throughout the week it easy
🔗 and people who kind of come to school with barely communicate with anyone
🔗 and they'll come here and they will they will engage meaningfully
🔗 and you said no no called with
🔗 that ability to engage in academic the school day.
🔗 When the young people come and participate in in the track intensive.
🔗 What they see is that we've been following them
🔗 and we value the best thing for them. So if they can see that we're able to school.
🔗 I'm willing to transport them here
🔗 and offer them the opportunity they do see is a privilege for their behavior in
🔗 school becomes less challenging. Helen Ridout man.
🔗 You're listening to farming today this week
🔗 and today we're on a farm in South Gloucestershire which is also a livery stables
🔗 to talk about old things.
🔗 Ech wine young writer Chloe doors who's behind this livery stables has been telling
🔗 me about the effort involved in getting it up and running
🔗 and of course even once you have there are other things to bear in mind
🔗 that spills clothing equipment housing. Feed shoeing of course but.
🔗 Imagine if you're in a limping competitor how much more work you have to put in to
🔗 keep the horse in world class condition over in Rio just now there's a team of vets
🔗 Farias a nutritionist caring for the two hundred horses taking part in the Olympic
🔗 equestrian events.
🔗 Sally Challen I went to meet one of them before he left for Brazil.
🔗 The unmistakable kind of a barrier at work molding
🔗 and shaping a metal to just hit a horse's hoof.
🔗 Today I've come to meet Yorkshire Faria being planned to heading to Rio where he
🔗 may be called on to attend some of the world's top competition horses.
🔗 And he tells me that for a limp economy old shoes are a dread
🔗 and technically are close to the human absolutes.
🔗 There are different issues for different disciplines because they're working on
🔗 different surfaces. They're working at different speeds.
🔗 They're performing very different movements.
🔗 So for instance if you're working at speed across a slippery surface then you need
🔗 a certain issue that will grip onto the surface.
🔗 So think about a four wheel drive we have those kind of heavy duty tires going
🔗 across you know you need something that will bite into the surface
🔗 and provide the traction. So you don't fall over. But if you're dealing with.
🔗 An elite dressage horse that's performing movements where it's it's holding its
🔗 and supported its weight in a in a position where it could come fall back
🔗 or fall over. And as a result of its position then you need something
🔗 that will sit on top
🔗 and not surface a little bit like you're a snowshoe tell me a little bit about the
🔗 modern Faria well in order to understand how the horse needs to be shot
🔗 and set off you need to understand a number of things.
🔗 So first of all you need to understand it's conformation so
🔗 that the skeletal structure you need to know a bit about its condition so
🔗 that it's muscle tone. It's muscular development.
🔗 You need to know know about how it moves and you need to know.
🔗 A little bit about that this discipline that it's following is it
🔗 or resources address art or city. You know is a pony club park.
🔗 It's an ancient profession but that's not to say things aren't changing
🔗 and the future could be plastic shoes.
🔗 They're actually made from a low melt them a plastic so you know the kind of
🔗 plastic that we use for going shields.
🔗 You know when players and boxes use were gone. She was so strong. But flexible.
🔗 What is the slow melt so she drop into freshly bold water. It actually softens up.
🔗 We then can mold it to the shape of the four
🔗 and so instead of sticking a rigid structure to a very flexible calling for we
🔗 stick in a flexible structure to the bottom of the white four
🔗 and it looks quite gripping as well like a spot shoe. Absolutely.
🔗 Well this is a great thing.
🔗 So the ground surface of the shoe is actually made from a small rubber ice plastic
🔗 to provide a bit of grit.
🔗 So a bit like your trainers
🔗 or your shoes have a rubber ice plastic to provide grip
🔗 and also this text using forms the that will bind him to say grass
🔗 or into Sunday something like that.
🔗 So I have a future the future could certainly look something like this for you.
🔗 Dean bland there and best of luck to Team G.B.
🔗 Out in Rio we've been speaking to Chloe doors who's often there are longer cultural
🔗 University next month to do echoing studies
🔗 and business all part of her attempt to build her livery stables Empire Chloe
🔗 you've brought us into one of the fuller sized stables here
🔗 that at the moment houses that one of your two horses.
🔗 Your puppy your cigarette factory is keeping a company of people here rustling in
🔗 the background and they're thinking oh that doesn't sound like a horse. It's not.
🔗 And so tell me about the course and how are you hoping
🔗 that that's going to feed into your ambitions.
🔗 What I'm hoping it will help me build this place.
🔗 Properly and kind of seen that the right way to do it long by trial
🔗 and error on my own but also is a really go. Back up.
🔗 I'm really interested in the kind of Quine nutritional side of it
🔗 and say leading into that kind of job would be brilliant
🔗 but definitely if this concept for me then having a degree of support in backup.
🔗 Sounds like a very sensible plan to be with us here is Peter Morris who's a senior
🔗 lecturer at the university is going to be attending Peter thanks for joining us
🔗 here in the stable is clearly right on not having this degree
🔗 and having this level of education and good backup plan for. Good morning.
🔗 I think that I would echo an awful lot what the work so he said it is
🔗 that trying to build a foundation in not only the ability to ride the knowledge
🔗 about horses but also a sound knowledge of the science
🔗 that underlines acquiring careers and act on businesses
🔗 but also the business management side and I think
🔗 that the successful students have
🔗 that sort of motivation like talked about which is to find out how we can
🔗 supplement what she already knows.
🔗 So what sorts of things can she expect
🔗 when she starts we start off with a foundation which though they've been looking at
🔗 things that you would expect things like that quantity ology acquire nutrition
🔗 and I quote united later on in their career
🔗 but for instance I look into the business side of things which includes law
🔗 and also then in the third year they would be able to can specialize again in
🔗 marketing all aspects of what you would expect running any successful business.
🔗 The puppy's those do you might be able to hear
🔗 that despite having a bit of a vast I don't want to talk employment process.
🔗 I feel we should be interviewing the puppy because it says she's such a great
🔗 She's just dived into the water trough a splash around jump out done a circuit of
🔗 the stables and she's off out into the field
🔗 but anyway back to the serious matters Peter what's your employment prospects like
🔗 in the industry is it buoyant they're going to.
🔗 This tree is a very diverse industry I think we have to start off and I know
🔗 that you've alluded to it.
🔗 In other parts of your programs about the fact on the one side you've got racing
🔗 and then you've got the leisure industry and then you've got the sports horse
🔗 and so it's a very successful that's all right.
🔗 The answer to your question is there are jobs out there that's certainly jobs out
🔗 that there's about eighty eight two thousand jobs that involved in racing alone
🔗 and it's a question of actually being able to put in the research.
🔗 That's the job you want to do the motivation and then simply getting on
🔗 and doing it at the university we try and help to do
🔗 that in various ways we have a lot of external speakers coming in who are actually
🔗 doing the job.
🔗 So there's the students exposure to people who are actually doing the job.
🔗 So it's not all theory
🔗 and also in the second yonks I will be doing this is so I have to do a twenty week
🔗 work placement which will take her into the industry in some aspect and with
🔗 that children. What a career is like Peter thank you very much.
🔗 Well of course we couldn't come to your livery yard without meeting your
🔗 horses clearly and you've got my Christmas and on
🔗 and we'll hear from me to meet some new Who is this. This isn't really. She's at X.
🔗 Advanced event of I was I've been lucky enough to have
🔗 and she's quite old styles you see quite well and she's quite big for you.
🔗 I think yes because I'm going to have a go.
🔗 Yeah and I'm really excited because I haven't been on a horse since I was eleven
🔗 and it wasn't a great experience because the horse didn't really want to go
🔗 anywhere and the rest of the pack just left me
🔗 and I was they disappeared off into the distance and there I was on a horse
🔗 that I couldn't.
🔗 I couldn't make walk
🔗 but Molly is going to be gentle with me she I mean she is a competition horse
🔗 and she competed at the top.
🔗 So you're not going to beat Kika but she is very gentle she
🔗 when she went to anything else.
🔗 Well it seems I'm going from the ridiculous to the sublime
🔗 and I'm money's looking at me as if I'm not really worthy to get on.
🔗 I'm not OK I'm always a bit more worried about me. OK and I'm about her. Hello.
🔗 Oh she's.
🔗 To soften muscle so you're gorgeous on you before I actually get on the horse your
🔗 you train people all the time I'm an excellent Holmes close up.
🔗 But tell me a little bit about the competing that you do.
🔗 Well me personally I'm just socializer so I compete once in the failed over that.
🔗 Mostly I go to as just but for what should be in brawl so going kind of soft porn.
🔗 I was pretty much feral and I brought a role
🔗 and actually she's she's very laidback we call that shit because she said chill.
🔗 And this year she's really flown and we've we've been selected we ride.
🔗 We voted for Gloucestershire.
🔗 And read that into regionals
🔗 and we've just come back from the Home International which the friendly
🔗 international organized by telephone which is the best show was dressage scheme so
🔗 it's for people like me
🔗 and we get subsidised training we get we get top training
🔗 and get to go to these big championships.
🔗 When we can't necessarily afford to go international properly and do G.P.
🔗 Trials and things.
🔗 And yeah we've got podium places here at home international So congratulations.
🔗 And it was her first international So I'm really really pleased she was amazing.
🔗 She's watching suspiciously she clearly doesn't trust me with Molly either.
🔗 Yes she's not very happy that I'm always getting all the attention
🔗 and she's not well let's give this a go.
🔗 Then show me how tall is Molly By the way how many times.
🔗 Molly sixteen three but she's about as long as she is tall she's she's very long.
🔗 So basically Molly is big. Yeah I'm not.
🔗 Yes So I think I actually monitoring to get up on to Molly my wife
🔗 and achievement will see I move very kindly. Let me from head wear.
🔗 So I'll put that's on the.
🔗 Chloe What's your advice as to how I should approach this.
🔗 OK well we're using want to go out there you have it wire are a good month
🔗 and basically you'll put a lesson in the stare at your left hand on the front of
🔗 south of here called the pommel your right hand on the seat. In the middle.
🔗 And basically spring off your right search line to softly as you can in the saddle
🔗 Sure mind too much.
🔗 If you if you get on balance and I'm confident that once you're on OK right.
🔗 But I give it a go.
🔗 In the same.
🔗 Yep lesson Sarah month olds and you know the size.
🔗 So left on the POMO right hand in the middle and here we go. I'm now you know.
🔗 Springing from my right foot. Everybody hold your breath.
🔗 Oh wow this is how I have a little
🔗 bit longer. I've got to put them up a little bit.
🔗 I think Rockefeller's will go for my short legs. It's like I said no.
🔗 That's right you need to hold the reins as well.
🔗 So you hold them like this with the rain coming through the last two things the
🔗 little finger on the other one and if someone talks like that. So that's not right.
🔗 Yes I'm Why do you hold the reins like this.
🔗 Well what's the advantage of doing it this way your ring finger is quite strong.
🔗 when you're a higher level especially you can do loads in those movements may close
🔗 communication two holes just with the finger. Really.
🔗 Whereas if you're holding with the little finger it's kind of just like a grip
🔗 and you just kind of holding on to this way of communicating yet is a massive way
🔗 of communication the walls most people think it's just to poll and stare
🔗 and stop but actually you can do lots and lots of fingers.
🔗 I praise my horse through my fingers so it doesn't disrupt the movement
🔗 and things you don't get a big pop during the test you can just do a little
🔗 movements say well done if they've done something nicely
🔗 and some form taught basically move your whole body.
🔗 It brings your elbows in and it kind of sets shoulders back a little bit
🔗 and just in a more relaxed position.
🔗 It is shaping my posture a little bit actually this grates on Molly as well almost
🔗 is. I feel very high up you know what I communicating to Molly with my ring finger.
🔗 I just like the sense of vertigo. OK OK he's on let's move on let's have a walk.
🔗 So you don't need to. OK just use a little squeeze with your legs.
🔗 OK well what an adventure.
🔗 This is and what a great way to end farming today this week. Come on.
🔗 Molly getting up.
🔗 Farming Today this week was presented by Felicity Evans and the pretty simple.
🔗 Sally challenge.
🔗 Now just before the weather forecast is the club over the message about them to
🔗 sing project.
🔗 It's been quite a summer of turmoil on the political stages of this country have in
🔗 it the referendum results on the fallout from that has been dramatic
🔗 and Listening Project we're keen to hear how all of
🔗 that on stage stuff has affected you. If you'd like.